Apostate Kate

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  When you were a JW true believer, what were you most afraid of?

  by under_believer in

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  it's been pretty well established that all religions use fear as a motivator, to some degree.

  the jw's have honed this practice to a near art form.

  what were you most afraid of when you were a jw?

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  Apostate Kate

  1. Jehovah

  2. Demons

  3. The World
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  interesting experience....

  by hallowedbethyname in

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  hello all.. just wanted to pass along an experience that i had about a month or so ago.

  i was invited to a jw wedding of a friend of mine.. also invited was a 'marked' brother who is a very close friend of the bride.

  he was recently marked after the invitations were sent out, so he came along with his 'worldly girlfriend'.. anyways, long story short, about 10 upstanding jw's decided to make a stink just before the bride and groom were to enter the reception hall to do their first dance.

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  The WTBTS can't allow the true unconditional love taught in the bible to spread amongst the brotherhood. If they allowed that kind of love they would lose all control.

  A couple months ago I went to a wedding where the bride and groom were not JWs, but some of the family were. I had gone to their KH about 30 years ago. The one cousin that is my age was so mental at the wedding. She was like a glazed over walking zombie. The relationship between her and her mom was odd. She may be disfellowshipped for having a child out of wedlock, but they still were too good to socialize with the likes of me. They were better people being disfellowshipped JWs' than me, because it was my pastor husband who was officiating the wedding.

  I just wanted to talk.

  We were praised for the service by everyone but the JWs. They just could not bring themselves to say there was anything good in us. It was so obvious! We glowed with joy, peace and happiness. They were gloomy unhappy and mental. Later we were snubbed yet again when the others were invited to spend time with them and we were told not to come.

  Later I asked my sister, so what did you do? LOL....they were drinking and gambling....we were not even good enough to go GAMBLING and DRINKING with them. mayube they just didn't want us to see.....dunno..just ironic...
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  I've having a hard time dealing with the present time in my life

  by Undecided in

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  i don't have any problems that i am dealing with but i can't seem to enjoy the present.

  everywhere i go i recall the past life with my family when i was young and they were alive.

  i remember the houses we called on when i was a jw with my dad and mother, cousins etc.

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  Apostate Kate

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  I'm sorry you are feeling that way.

  It would not hurt to tell your doctor how you are feeling. It could be physiological and treated.

  Love~Kate
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  If you could sit down and talk to a loved JW family member.....

  by Apostate Kate in

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  what do you think would work today to convince them that the wtbts is not the "only voice of god on earth," the only "true religion," the only correct understanding of the bible?

  do you think telling them about the un, or the false dates, or the pedophile problem would work best?

  would you try to shove the wizards curtain aside?

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  Thanks for the link Inbyathread. I ran off hundreds of them years ago and since AOL has crashed several times. When it happens I lose all my bookmarks.

  Swan I understand that. We have to respect our grandparents. I am going to be preparing materials and seminars for Christians and non Christians who are interested in learning more about JWs and how to reach them, both religiously and secularly. The "Danger at Your Door" pamphlet is good for both.

  I think back to when I went door to door and rarely did anyone know exactly who I was or what I had been brainwashed in. Rarely did anyone have anything to say to me that could have helped me out of the clutches of the org. It was ultimatly a Christian who had said a few words to me that helped, but many years had passed without ever being challenged intellectualy, spiritually, or any way.

  Partly due to the fact that as JWs we knew it all. Or thought we did. It would have helped me alot I think to have been challenged by someone who really understood where my head was at as a JW. I want to help prepare people to talk to dubs when the oppurtunity arrises, help them know exactly where a JW's head is at so they can meet them where they are.
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  If you could sit down and talk to a loved JW family member.....

  by Apostate Kate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what do you think would work today to convince them that the wtbts is not the "only voice of god on earth," the only "true religion," the only correct understanding of the bible?

  do you think telling them about the un, or the false dates, or the pedophile problem would work best?

  would you try to shove the wizards curtain aside?

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  So maybe an essay written in a basic form showing evidence of healthy happy lives outside the organization would be helpful. Then I could go on to use the Bible to show it does not teach that people are saved by works. I like that idea.

  There are several more papers I want to write, one for Christians to understand more about how to help JWs when they come to the door. It is not enough to say "I have my own religion thank you" when they could, if prepared well ahead of time, be able to help them see that they are being controlled by men, not the God they think is in control.

  I have a really great handout pamphlet called "Danger At Your Door" that I ran off of Witness Inc. Not sure what the address is now. Maybe Witnessinc.com. Last time I visited it had not been updated in years but was still up. This pamphlet is really a good one but I'd like to write one more personal with my contact name on it.
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  What do you love spending your money on?

  by JH in

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  i always did love tv's and cars.

  i really don't know hom many tv's i bought in my life.......15 or 20?

  and cars also......i think i'm up to my 15th .

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  Oh Delilah spending on yourself IS spending on the family! Cuz mama's are the heart of the family.

  Now I aint sayin being rediculous and spending huge amounts is good. But bargain shopping is fun! My last really nice burgundy shimmery silk bouse was a find at a store going out of business. It was marked down from over $100 to $30. It has the most beautiful swarosvky chrystal buttons, very elegant. I also found the cutest skirt that is made out of a 50ies reproduction fabric of a cowboy rodeo, yeeehaaw!
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  Florida Trailer Park hit by bird flu!

  by TresHappy in

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  Apostate Kate

  LOL hubby and I got a great laff outa that...

  I want to collect pink flamingos for when we are traveling in our 1951 hippy bus. Whenever we stop, out go the flamingos!
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  If you could sit down and talk to a loved JW family member.....

  by Apostate Kate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what do you think would work today to convince them that the wtbts is not the "only voice of god on earth," the only "true religion," the only correct understanding of the bible?

  do you think telling them about the un, or the false dates, or the pedophile problem would work best?

  would you try to shove the wizards curtain aside?

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  Apostate Kate

  Thank you this is all very helpful. I am getting ideas together to write my second original presentation for distribution. We are with a new church and the pastor was told about my first speaking presentation I did in Bible college about my JW experience. He asked me to initiate an outreach from the church. I am gathering my thoughts.

  I wish I had the Watchtower CD's. I have collected quite a few WTBTS books and mags but if I had the CD that would be great. If anyone would like to donate anything like an old Watchtower with false claims and such I'd apreciate it. The more original evidence the better.

  David and Kathleen

  PO Box 313

  Yucca Valley, CA 92286
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  If you could sit down and talk to a loved JW family member.....

  by Apostate Kate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what do you think would work today to convince them that the wtbts is not the "only voice of god on earth," the only "true religion," the only correct understanding of the bible?

  do you think telling them about the un, or the false dates, or the pedophile problem would work best?

  would you try to shove the wizards curtain aside?

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  Apostate Kate

  Thanks Free....I think that is a good place to start. The questions always forces them to try to think for themselves.
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  What do you love spending your money on?

  by JH in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i always did love tv's and cars.

  i really don't know hom many tv's i bought in my life.......15 or 20?

  and cars also......i think i'm up to my 15th .

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  Apostate Kate

  hhmmmm...organic produce and pricey organic whole food supplements

  girly stuff like i.d. Bare Minerals ...I am going to order some..never tried it but everyone says it's the bomb...can't wait to buff away fine lines and wrinkles

  horse stuff

  clothes and hats and shoes..I love shimery silk and soft cotton rayons, Indian stuff with embroidery and sequins

  stuff to decorate the house (not fancy kinda rustic casual comfy) we are working on a decorative painted floor

  I am quite frugal so I keep to a budget, I don't use credit except to keep the score up on occasion.